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01:16:42 PM Presentation Marine Exchange of Alaska by Captain Ed Page
02:04:45 PM Adjourn
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Captain Ed Page, Executive Director
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                         JOINT MEETING                                                                                        
            HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
            SENATE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                          
                         March 26, 2013                                                                                         
                           1:15 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE TRANSPORTATION                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Peggy Wilson, Chair                                                                                              
Representative Doug Isaacson, Vice Chair                                                                                        
Representative Eric Feige                                                                                                       
Representative Lynn Gattis                                                                                                      
Representative Bob Lynn                                                                                                         
Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATE TRANSPORTATION                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dennis Egan, Chair                                                                                                      
Senator Fred Dyson, Vice Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Hollis French                                                                                                           
Senator Anna Fairclough                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: MARINE EXCHANGE OF ALASKA BY CAPTAIN ED PAGE                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN ED PAGE, Executive Director                                                                                             
Alaska Marine Exchange of Alaska                                                                                                
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on the Alaska Marine Exchange                                                                   
System.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PAUL FUHS, President                                                                                                            
Board of Marine Exchange of Alaska                                                                                              
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Thanked the  legislature for all  the support                                                            
it had given them over the years and explained funding sources.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:15:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   DENNIS   EGAN   called   the  Joint   House   and   Senate                                                            
Transportation Standing  Committee meeting  to order at  1:15 p.m.                                                              
Senators  Dyson and  chair Egan;  Representatives Lynn,  Isaacson,                                                              
Feige, Gattis,  Kreiss-Tomkins, and  Chair P. Wilson  were present                                                              
at the  call to  order.   Senators French,  Fairclough, and  Dyson                                                              
arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
^Presentation Marine Exchange of Alaska by Captain Ed Page                                                                      
 Marine Exchange of Alaska (MXAK) Presentation by Captain Ed Page                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:16:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  EGAN  announced the  only  order  of business,  the  Marine                                                              
Exchange of Alaska presentation.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
ED  PAGE, Retired  Captain, U.S.  Coast  Guard (USCG);,  Executive                                                              
Director, Alaska  Marine Exchange  of Alaska, Juneau,  Alaska, was                                                              
accompanied by his  Chief Technical Officer, Bill  Benning, also a                                                              
retired US  Coast Guard captain,  and Paul Fuhs, President  of the                                                              
Board of Directors.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He said this  organization has existed  for 12 years and  he would                                                              
explain the  maritime safety  net that  had been established  over                                                              
the  past few  years  and  where  it is  headed,  as well  as  the                                                              
importance   of   it   to   safety,    efficiency,   environmental                                                              
protection,  and  security  for  the State  of  Alaska,  the  most                                                              
complex, diverse, maritime state by far.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATORS FRENCH and DYSON joined the meeting.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:18:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CAPTAIN PAGE  said he  had served  in the USCG  for some  30 years                                                              
and  came to  Alaska on  a Coast  Guard Cutter  in 1973.   He  had                                                              
about  25-years'   experience  in   Alaska  sailing   on  tankers,                                                              
container   ships,  tugboats,  fishing   vessels,  USCG   vessels,                                                              
offshore  supply vessels,  drilling  rigs, and  platforms; he  had                                                              
been  fascinated with  the state  and  its challenges,  especially                                                              
its safety  concerns.  He was  involved in the Exxon  Valdez spill                                                              
for several  years, as well  as some search  and rescue  cases and                                                              
became  somewhat obsessed  with the  idea of  how having a  vessel                                                              
tracking system would save a lot of lives.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He  explained  that  marine  exchanges   started  in  places  like                                                              
Baltimore  and  San  Francisco  back in  the  1800s  basically  to                                                              
exchange  maritime  information.   They  were  developed  so  that                                                              
merchants  would know when  a ship  was coming  in to  port versus                                                              
standing  on a  dock  waiting  for it.    When the  USCG  assigned                                                              
Captain Page  to board  a ship  or inspect  vessels he  would call                                                              
the  marine exchange  to  find out  where the  vessels  were.   In                                                              
fact, he routinely  called during his time as Captain  of the Port                                                              
for Los  Angeles (L.A.),  Long Beach, since  the exchange  had the                                                              
information he needed  to carry out his business. When  he got out                                                              
of the Coast Guard he decided to try that model in Alaska.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:19:47 PM                                                                                                                    
CAPTAIN PAGE  said different  technologies have  to be  used here,                                                              
and one of  the differences is  that the L.A. marine  exchange has                                                              
a 25-mile  radar, which  is totally useless  in Alaska  because of                                                              
the  state's   size.  For   maritime  safety   to  be   effective,                                                              
information  is  needed  on  vessel   locations,  areas  that  are                                                              
protected and off  limits, and compliance validation,  and that is                                                              
what this  tool does.  It has  already saved  lives and  protected                                                              
the environment here.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He showed  a display of 9,000  transits going from Seattle  to the                                                              
Far East  through Unimak  Pass per year  (the "Pacific  I-5") that                                                              
was  made  with information  from  satellite  tracking,  automatic                                                              
identification   systems   (AIS),  and   other   state-of-the-art-                                                              
technology.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:21:35 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  ISAACSON said his  friend, a  vice president  of a                                                              
shipping company, showed  him an "app" on his IPhone  and asked if                                                              
the marine exchange is like a "physical app."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN PAGE  answered that  if people  get real time  information                                                              
in Alaska  from an  app, it's coming  from him  and they  must pay                                                              
for the  service. Basically,  the exchange  brings information  in                                                              
from  100   marine  safety  sites,   and  these   include  weather                                                              
stations,   automatic   identification  system   (AIS)   receiving                                                              
stations, and  even search and  rescue receiving stations.  One of                                                              
his customers  is Lloyd's of London  and he could show  them where                                                              
ferries or tankers are with his IPad or IPhone.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ISAACSON   asked  if  regular  apps   are  not  as                                                              
complete as what he provides.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN PAGE  said that was correct  and that the  Marine Exchange                                                              
of Alaska has the best information available.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:23:27 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  P. WILSON  said  it's amazing  how  much  traffic is  going                                                              
through the Arctic already.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN  PAGE responded  that it  is  in the  neighborhood of  500                                                              
vessels  (compared  to 100,000  transits  in  the L.A.  area)  and                                                              
growing  every  year.  He  added that  this  whole  concept  works                                                              
because  of  the shared  common  commitment  on  the part  of  the                                                              
state, the  maritime industry  and the  Coast Guard stemming  from                                                              
incidents  like the  Exxon Valdez  and the  need to  be safer  and                                                              
more environmentally conscious.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:25:10 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FAIRCLOUGH joined the committee.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN  PAGE said  $2.5  million/year came  from  the state,  the                                                              
Coast Guard and  the maritime industry to build  the system, which                                                              
represents  about 30  percent of  overall costs.  The Coast  Guard                                                              
and  the maritime  industry  -  Shell, Trident  Seafoods,  Western                                                              
Alaska  Marine Lines,  Crowley Maritime  - are  supporters of  the                                                              
system  as well  as being  customers.  The cruise  ship head  tax,                                                              
which is  restricted to maritime  related issues  (enhanced safety                                                              
and efficiency of foreign commerce) is another funding source.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:26:36 PM                                                                                                                    
CAPTAIN PAGE  said MXAK is  the leader of  the pack of  all marine                                                              
exchanges  around the  country. They  can see  vessels from  Maine                                                              
and  the  Gulf of  Mexico  to  L.A., Seattle,  and  Alaska.  Their                                                              
office is located  on the waterfront above the  Juneau Electronics                                                              
Building,  and   their  customers  range  from   container  ships,                                                              
tankers, and  cruise ships to  ports, terminals, ferries,  and the                                                              
Coast  Guard.  He related  that  the  founding members  were  from                                                              
every  segment of the  maritime  industry - the  ports, the  pilot                                                              
associations,  the  shipping  companies,  the seafood  and  tanker                                                              
industries,  and the  container and  tug lines;  and the board  is                                                              
headed by Paul Fuhs.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:28:22 PM                                                                                                                    
CAPTAIN  PAGE said  they are  trying  to encourage  more youth  to                                                              
pursue  maritime careers  by offering  training.  They also  print                                                              
accurate charts  so vessels  coming in can  safely operate  in our                                                              
waters; MXAK  also does a lot  of compliance work which  helps pay                                                              
some overhead. All of this gets them flying all over the state.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He said vessel  tracking and the  data base are key  components of                                                              
their  system and  that  tracking vessels  provides  a safety  net                                                              
that helps  in assessing  the risk  of various  trade routes;  the                                                              
Coast Guard  uses it now for  the Bering Strait access  study. The                                                              
Admiral had  their app installed on  his IPhone so he  could track                                                              
the Kulluk incident from home.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN PAGE  related that  MXAK has had  99.9 percent  success in                                                              
guiding vessels  in and  out of Prince  William Sound,  but that's                                                              
not good  enough. It's a very  high stakes game; the  Exxon Valdez                                                              
being  an  example of  ships  that  were  not being  monitored  or                                                              
supervised. It was  beyond the Coast Guard's oversight  and beyond                                                              
Alaska radar, so  the captain decided to go out of  the channel to                                                              
avoid an iceberg  and go below even  though he was supposed  to be                                                              
on the bridge. He  never should have left the bridge  and probably                                                              
wouldn't have if he was being monitored.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:30:51 PM                                                                                                                    
CAPTAIN  PAGE  said  such  monitoring could  only  be  pulled  off                                                              
because  of  new   technology.  For  instance,  the   Coast  Guard                                                              
requires transponders  that send  out information every  couple of                                                              
seconds  for course,  speed, cargo,  destination, and  dimensions;                                                              
all this  information is brought  into the system. MXAK  also uses                                                              
satellite  transponders and  has added  weather and  environmental                                                              
sensors to their remote sites.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Most recently they  worked on digital sector-calling  radios where                                                              
if you  push the  red button  the USCG  will get  a call and  then                                                              
tell  you  the position  and  name  of  the vessel.  However  this                                                              
feature doesn't  work in Alaska,  because Congress  didn't provide                                                              
enough money to  the Coast Guard to build a system  here. So, MXAK                                                              
is  currently   building  the  DSC  (Digital   Selective  Calling)                                                              
receivers here pro bono.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:32:01 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON  asked if that would hook  into the Alamar                                                              
system or if it were just dedicated to shipping and DSC.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN PAGE  answered it won't  go to  an Alamar system;  it goes                                                              
to the  radio and  then on  to the  Coast Guard  into his  command                                                              
center. The USCG could turn it into Alamar if it wanted to.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:32:35 PM                                                                                                                    
He  explained that  PacTracs is  a display  system that  basically                                                              
takes information  captured by shore stations on  vessels that are                                                              
in the global marine exchange and disseminates it.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Vessels  on international  trade  sailing through  our waters  are                                                              
required  to  have  an Automatic  Information  System  (AIS);  the                                                              
trick is  in picking up that  information without the  Coast Guard                                                              
getting funding  to build an  AIS network  in Alaska. This  is the                                                              
same problem he  had in Los Angeles/Long Beach. They  did not have                                                              
a vessel tracking  system and Congress did not  provide the money.                                                              
So, he  got interested  parties working on  it and partnered  with                                                              
them and built it using the same model he is using up here.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He said  the Arctic Maritime  Shipping Assessment in  the National                                                              
Academy  of  Science  Report  says  we need  to  complete  an  AIS                                                              
network  to  make  sure  vessels  can be  tracked.  It  is  a  key                                                              
component in all the reports.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:33:46 PM                                                                                                                    
CAPTAIN  PAGE showed  them  a slide  of  their  100 Marine  Safety                                                              
Sites from  Kaktovik to Barrow to  Adak and down to  Ketchikan and                                                              
apologized  for not  being  in the  Interior  but  said they  were                                                              
actually starting to  work their way into rivers.  Compared to the                                                              
11 countries  on the Baltic  that have  come together to  build an                                                              
AIS network,  ours is much  more complex  and bigger, and  only 16                                                              
people operate the MXAK in Juneau.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:34:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DYSON   asked  him  to   comment  on  the   equipment  he                                                              
"smuggled" into Canada last summer.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN  PAGE  clarified  that he  didn't  smuggle  anything,  but                                                              
Senator Dyson  helped him  with some creative  ways to  get around                                                              
barriers to bringing foreign equipment into Canada.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He said  that no  ship is  going to  come into  Alaska that  is in                                                              
compliance  with  the law  and  not be  picked  up  by the  vessel                                                              
tracking  system.  They  focused  on  having  coverage  where  the                                                              
ferries go,  where the high  risk vessels  go and at  entry points                                                              
into  Alaska.  Their  equipment  is on  schools,  harbor  offices,                                                              
light  houses,   pilot  stations   and  tug  offices.   They  have                                                              
leveraged  their resources  so they  can get  more done with  less                                                              
and had recently  put a lot of  emphasis on building sites  in the                                                              
Arctic.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:37:53 PM                                                                                                                    
CAPTAIN PAGE  explained that they  apply all this  information for                                                              
validation  of  cruise  ship  compliance,  compliance  with  speed                                                              
limits   in   Glacier   Bay,  Shell's   compliance   with   permit                                                              
restrictions  in the Arctic,  fiber optic cables  for GCI  and ACS                                                              
(if there is  a break in a cable  they can tell them  where a ship                                                              
anchored  on it  -  it happened  a  couple of  times),  preventing                                                              
collisions,  port  planning,  risk   assessments,  vessel  support                                                              
operations and  security. They compile  this information  and turn                                                              
it in to Vessel  Tracking Application ship security  alert systems                                                              
that are required on ferries, tankers and other vessels.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He said all the  information they collect goes to  the Coast Guard                                                              
and the State of  Alaska. So, over time, if mariners  know they're                                                              
being monitored,  they won't  do things such  as the  Exxon Valdez                                                              
did,  because they  know  they  will get  a  call  from the  Coast                                                              
Guard. Someone is now watching where before they weren't.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:39:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BISHOP joined the committee.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN PAGE  said they  control traffic  going to Kodiak  Airport                                                              
as the result  of a situation when  a cruise ship was  coming into                                                              
the port that  was higher than the  flight path. At the  same time                                                              
a Coast  Guard C-130 was flying  in reduced visibility.  The pilot                                                              
had to  pull out, because  all of a sudden  the stack of  a cruise                                                              
ship appeared. The  FAA came to MXAK and asked what  could be done                                                              
to keep  it from  happening  again. So  now alarms  go off when  a                                                              
high-masted  vessel   comes  into   that  particular   area.  MXAK                                                              
contacts the  tower and  the pilots, and  they coordinate  so ship                                                              
and vessel are not in the same airspace.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:41:07 PM                                                                                                                    
CAPTAIN PAGE  said that  Shell set  up watch  dogs and  alarms and                                                              
buffer  systems in  the off-limit  areas so that  alarms would  go                                                              
off in  the MXAK operations  center if  those areas  were breached                                                              
and to make sure Shell's operations are in full compliance.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:41:43 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR P.  WILSON asked  if Shell  was paying them  for the  use of                                                              
that system.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN PAGE answered  absolutely; they have a lot  of accounts (a                                                              
"power user")  and all have  to pay for  use and operation  of the                                                              
system, but they pay as they go in kind of a user pay model.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:42:12 PM                                                                                                                    
CAPTAIN PAGE  said they put  a vessel tracking  system on  a state                                                              
vessel, which  is exempted  from having one,  and got a  call from                                                              
the  Coast Guard  about the,  Noble Discoverer,  a fishing  vessel                                                              
that  was adrift.  He  had been  watching as  it  departed to  the                                                              
Aleutian  Islands and was  able to  direct a  Coast Guard  boat to                                                              
save the boat.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:43:15 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DYSON recalled  how  the Selendang  Ayu  was drifting  by                                                              
Dutch  Harbor and  the Coast  Guard commander,  through a  laptop,                                                              
knew that ship was dragging its anchor before the skipper did.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN PAGE agreed  and said ironically that the  vessel on scene                                                              
thought  everything was  okay,  but the  command  center said  the                                                              
Selendang Ayu  was dragging  anchor and sure  enough it  was. This                                                              
is amazing technology.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:44:27 PM                                                                                                                    
Other examples  were the Golden  Seas that was drifting  backwards                                                              
and had  reported they  had run  aground, but  they hit  an island                                                              
with a  Coast Guard  aide to  navigation on  it. The Coast  Guard,                                                              
using the  PacTracs display screen  to see who the  closest vessel                                                              
was,  contacted  the  F/V  Columbia   to  render  assistance.  And                                                              
everyone  knows about  the Kulluk  incident, which,  incidentally,                                                              
he watched on his IPad from South America.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:46:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CAPTAIN PAGE said  they are also monitoring high  risk events; for                                                              
instance a  container ship was  recently disabled in  Unimak Pass;                                                              
they were  able to see  it and talk to  the Coast Guard  and other                                                              
players  to be  involved  in that  response.  Alarms  go off  when                                                              
vessels  come   too  close  to   shore,  and  they   had  recently                                                              
redirected a couple  of tankers going through high  risk routes in                                                              
the Aleutian Islands.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Similarly, Captain  Page said,  they watch others  one was  an ice                                                              
breaker  in  the  Arctic  -  "snoop   around"  our  waters,  which                                                              
generates  a tremendous  amount  of detail  that they  categorize.                                                              
They can  also "look  into Russia"  from their  office at  vessels                                                              
operating out of the Bering Straits.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:47:51 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON  asked for the range of the  radars on the                                                              
monitoring devices.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:48:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CAPTAIN   PAGE   answered   that   they  use   data   burst   CMOS                                                              
[complementary   metal-oxide-semicondutor   technology  used   for                                                              
constructing integrated  circuits]  that travel much  further than                                                              
conventional  analog  CMOS,  generally  going 100  miles,  but  on                                                              
mountain tops (on Adak, for instance) twice that.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ISAACSON  asked whether the  size of the  seas also                                                              
affects it.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN PAGE  answered, "To  some extent".  They sometimes  access                                                              
satellite  AIS  information  that  is 4-12  hours  old,  which  is                                                              
sporadic  and  doesn't  get  all  the vessels.  It's  a  piece  of                                                              
information they  use in a  strategic context. Satellite  tracking                                                              
transponders are on vessels used for tracking barges.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:49:16 PM                                                                                                                    
CAPTAIN PAGE said  they have also developed an  emergency response                                                              
data  base,  so  when  an emergency  does  happen,  you  push  the                                                              
emergency  button and  determine  want kind  of  vessel is  needed                                                              
(oil  spill  response  vessel,  towing  vessel),  and  only  those                                                              
vessels  and  their  information  show up  on  the  display.  That                                                              
information is  shared with  the Coast Guard  and the  State. When                                                              
people want to know  where the ships are in the  Arctic, they come                                                              
to them; they get calls from Washington, D.C. all the time.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:50:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CAPTAIN  PAGE  turned to  Alaska  hot  spot issues;  for  instance                                                              
there is  a lot of  talk about the  dramatic increase  in shipping                                                              
in  Dixon Entrance,  because of  Prince Rupert  activity, so  they                                                              
are  upgrading  their  system  to  make  sure  there  is  complete                                                              
coverage.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The National  Academy of  Sciences talks about  the AIS  being the                                                              
tool  to  minimize risk  in  the  Aleutian  Islands, so  they  are                                                              
continually  building  and upgrading  their  system  to close  the                                                              
gaps in the  coverage in places  like Barrow and Adak  and putting                                                              
equipment even  on Shell  vessels; they also  worked with  the UAF                                                              
to rebuild a power  module. Cook Inlet is always  a hot area where                                                              
they have good coverage;  they use a lot of risk  assessment tools                                                              
and are  now adding weather stations  so they can  disseminate ice                                                              
and  weather  information to  vessels  over  AIS. This  means  you                                                              
don't have  to listen to  broadcasts but are  able to see  a clear                                                              
digital picture whenever  you want. Benefits to  the state include                                                              
to  the  Marine   Highway  System,  Homeland   Response,  Veterans                                                              
Affairs,  Fish   and  Game,  Public  Safety,   Commerce,  Pilotage                                                              
Program  oversight,  Environmental   Conservation,  Department  of                                                              
Natural Resources'  drilling operations and state  boating safety,                                                              
monitoring environmental  regulations for cruise ships,  and shell                                                              
fish farming.  He explained  that  shell fish  farmers used  to be                                                              
required  to have  a  [Department of  Environmental  Conservation]                                                              
employee on  board to  make sure  they went to  the right  area to                                                              
get the  shellfish. Often  that person was  not available  so they                                                              
didn't go.  Now transponders are  used to validate where  they are                                                              
going, and a person is not needed any more.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:53:06 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR EGAN asked why the observer program couldn't be automated.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CAPTAIN  PAGE replied  that  it will  probably  happen over  time.                                                              
They are  just beginning to scratch  the surface of the  many more                                                              
applications  for  MXAK. Their  future  plans  are to  expand  and                                                              
improve  the network  to fill  gaps in  weather and  environmental                                                              
sensors, disseminate  safety information,  and search  and rescue.                                                              
MXAK is "building  on and getting more and more  mileage out these                                                              
sites  and  are   sending  information  -  sensors   and  tracking                                                              
capabilities  - to  the  whalers, so  the  big ships  can see  the                                                              
whaling boats  minimizing the potential  for a subsistence  vessel                                                              
to be run over by other vessels.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:55:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CAPTAIN PAGE said  AIS inputs come from satellite  and terrestrial                                                              
AIS, environmental  sensors, search and rescue alerts,  and vessel                                                              
monitoring  systems,  then gets  disseminated  to  the state,  the                                                              
Coast Guard,  owner operators,  oil spill response  organizations,                                                              
agents  and  pilots.  Everyone  involved  in the  system  ends  up                                                              
contributing to its  support, and that is how the  cost to any one                                                              
party is  amortized. Governor  Parnell "is a  big fan," as  is the                                                              
Commandant of  the Coast  Guard, and MXAK  has received  the Coast                                                              
Guard's Meritorious Public Service Award for innovative efforts.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:56:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CAPTAIN  PAGE reiterated  that their  office is  in Juneau  and is                                                              
tied into  the Coast Guard  headquarters, the district,  Lloyds of                                                              
London and all  the marine exchanges throughout  the country. It's                                                              
basically patched  together, so they  hope to upgrade  it. Senator                                                              
Egan has supported  the community of Juneau in  providing the land                                                              
and use of the  public works building that is on it.  It is a safe                                                              
building  that would  be appropriate  for the  type of  technology                                                              
they  are using.  It would  have an  exhibit on  the ground  floor                                                              
showing people  the nature of the  trade and professions  that are                                                              
available to Alaskans.  The Port of Juneau could be  on the second                                                              
floor, and  the Marine Exchange  would be  on the third  floor. He                                                              
had  shared   this  with   the  legislature   and  the   Rasmussen                                                              
Foundation. The total  cost of the 10,000 square feet  is about $5                                                              
million. The  funding would be  provided through a  combination of                                                              
local  support  (providing  the  land and  building),  some  state                                                              
funding,  [indisc.], Rasmussen  Foundation and  a Marine  Exchange                                                              
loan.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:58:09 PM                                                                                                                    
CAPTAIN PAGE  demonstrated a live  feed of the F/V  Kennecott with                                                              
core  speed,  destination,  draft,  location  and  other  specific                                                              
details over the last 24 hours and the search function.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:59:51 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  P.   WILSON  said  this   was  a  fascinating   office  and                                                              
encouraged members to visit.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:00:41 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  EGAN agreed  recalling one  of his visits  during the  Gulf                                                              
Oil  Spill  when  it  was tracking  all  the  oil  spill  response                                                              
vessels.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:01:42 PM                                                                                                                    
PAUL  FUHS,  President,  Board   of  Marine  Exchange  of  Alaska,                                                              
Juneau, Alaska, thanked  the legislature for all  its support over                                                              
the years  saying the exchange was  started by using  Exxon Valdez                                                              
oil  spill criminal  money  to  set up  the  first  GIS system  to                                                              
display it.  The board is diverse  with only a couple  of ports on                                                              
it, but other  than that it  is primarily a private  sector board,                                                              
and that  is because  the industry wants  to have safe  operations                                                              
and  if  there is  an  accident  they want  the  most  responsible                                                              
response.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He also highlighted  that they can  pinpoint a break in  the fiber                                                              
optic  cables  throughout the  state,  which  is the  lifeline  of                                                              
state's  communication system  as it  runs out  to the entire  US.                                                              
However, Mr. Fuhs  said, the biggest concern the board  has is the                                                              
age  of the  building; it's  old and  it sits  on pilings.  People                                                              
camp under  it. Wiring  isn't to  code and fire  is a  real issue.                                                              
CBJ has  said it  would provide  land, but the  MXAK needs  a safe                                                              
place  to  operate. He  pointed  out  that  cruise ship  head  tax                                                              
monies could  be used, because they  have to be  used specifically                                                              
for  the benefit  of  the passengers  that  paid it;  in fact,  he                                                              
suggested  that the  Marine Exchange  of  Alaska is  the only  one                                                              
that can qualify for those funds.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:04:45 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR EGAN  thanked him  and finding no  further business  to come                                                              
before the  committees, he  adjourned the  Joint House  and Senate                                                              
Transportation Standing Committee meeting at 2:04 p.m.                                                                          

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